Curatrice: Chiara Pietropaoli
Artista: Ciredz
Dal 24 Novembre 2017 al 5 Gennaio 2018

C: Hai iniziato a dipingere nelle campagne disabitate della Sardegna, passando l’infanzia e l’adolescenza in mezzo alla natura, nel piccolo paese vicino al mare dove sei nato. Cosa ti ha spinto a confrontarti in maniera attiva con il paesaggio, prima rurale e poi urbano? Quali sono le differenze che riscontri nell’approcciarti artisticamente a due contesti cosi differenti?

A: Ho iniziato a esprimermi nello spazio pubblico sperimentando con i graffiti; in quel periodo per me il muro era esclusivamente un supporto interessante per via delle dimensioni e della posizione.
In seguito, quando ho iniziato ad approcciarmi all’Arte Astratta la mia relazione con lo spazio, la mia visione dello spazio è cambiata nettamente.
Tra il 2007 e il 2009 ho iniziato a ragionare in maniera diversa: durante gli anni di studio a Bologna ho conosciuto e studiato il lavoro di alcuni artisti, tra cui Penone e Calzolari, che mi hanno influenzato particolarmente. Conoscere l’Arte Povera mi ha spinto a interrogarmi sui materiali in una maniera profonda, a interrogare i materiali stessi che nel mio caso sono parte della poetica. Poi c’è il lavoro di Superstudio che mi ha aperto la mente sulla relazione tra natura e artificio; mi viene in mente Supersuperficie.

Arrivare a quelle conoscenze mi ha portato a raggiungere una consapevolezza importante sul mio percorso, a capire meglio il mio intento, dove volevo arrivare.
Sono del tutto convinto che passare l’adolescenza e l’infanzia in mezzo alla natura mi ha permesso di sviluppare una certa sensibilità senza la quale non avrei mai potuto concepire il lavoro che porto avanti oggi.
La motivazione che mi ha spinto a confrontarmi in maniera attiva col paesaggio è stata appunto l’iniziare a vivere quotidianamente uno spazio urbano. Il cambiamento tra vivere la natura e iniziare a vivere la città mi ha portato a osservare attentamente le diversità tra le due ed è nata in me la volontà di restituire la mia visione attraverso le mie opere.
Ho iniziato a essere affascinato dalla presenza della natura nello spazio urbano, da come viene “organizzata” dall’uomo. Nella città la natura si fa geometria ordinata, come nei casi dei viali alberati, le aiuole, i giardini delimitati da siepi allineate e così via…

Le differenze di approccio a queste due tipologia di spazio cosi differenti sono infinite. Quando dipingo nel mezzo della natura, faccio molta fatica ad aggiungere qualcosa perché penso che la composizione sia già completa per equilibrio di forme e colori, in qualsiasi ora del giorno. Per questo i miei interventi nella natura sono sempre forme geometriche di piccole dimensioni. Scelgo sempre dei colori che non trovo in natura, principalmente i grigi. Nello spazio urbano invece è differente, l’intervento è quasi sempre di grandi dimensioni e tende ad aggiungere quello che non c’è, quello che mi manca: proprio la natura.

C: Finito il liceo ti sei trasferito a Bologna per frequentate l’Accademia di Belle Arti, dove ti sei diplomato in scultura. Inizialmente il tuo interesse era orientato all’arte figurativa ma nel tempo ha virato verso l’arte astratta. Mi racconti come è avvenuto questo passaggio e quali esigenze si porta dietro?

A: Il passaggio dal figurativo all’astratto è avvenuto quando ho cominciato a studiare scultura, quando i materiali per me sono diventati più importanti della figurazione. Non trovavo più stimolante l’elaborazione della figura in maniera verosimile.

C: Nel 2013 hai conseguito la specialistica in Grafica d’Arte. La sintesi grafica è alla base di molti dei tuoi lavori, che il più delle volte hanno come oggetto il paesaggio naturale. L’altro giorno, mentre parlavamo, hai ripetuto più volte che le tue opere nascono da “un’intenzione grafica”, un “ragionamento grafico”, mi racconti meglio questo aspetto della tua ricerca?

A: La grafica e il volume sono la base del mio lavoro. Quando parlo d’intenzione grafica nella mia ricerca intendo dire che quando creo mi concentro innanzi tutto sull’estetica mettendo in secondo piano ciò che concerne attribuire un significato poetico all’opera. Questo non significa ovviamente che il mio lavoro è povero di significato ma che al contrario il significato è insito nel dialogo tra i materiali che utilizzo, nasce dalla loro combinazione.

C: I paesaggi da cui trai ispirazione sono reali o ideali? Quanto la tua terra ispira il tuo immaginario?

A: I paesaggi da cui traggo ispirazione sono a volte immaginari ma il più delle volte reali, anche se non si tratta mai di una copia dal vero. Nella maggior parte dei casi mi ispiro, per forme e colori, a qualcosa che in natura esiste, che ho vissuto. Porto spesso con me una macchina fotografica; nel mio lavoro la fotografia è uno strumento molto importante. Mi permette di “estrapolare” dettagli di paesaggio che nelle le mie opere divengono centrali, sono i protagonisti. Mi piace portare un particolare in primo piano, come un microscopio.

residui art exhibition by ciredz

C: La mostra Residui nasce dalla lettura di un testo di Gilles Clément, paesaggista francese, per te riferimento primo. Il titolo stesso della mostra ne è una citazione. Si tratta del Manifesto del Terzo Paesaggio, uno scritto per molti aspetti rivoluzionario. Cosa rappresenta per te questo saggio? Quali sono i concetti che rielaborerai nell’esposizione, che ti interessa condividere con lo spettatore?

A: Quando ho iniziato a lavorare alle sculture con la terra e il cemento la mia volontà era proprio quella di raccontare in modo grafico la coesistenza tra natura e uomo e l’imprevedibilità che nasce da questo rapporto di convivenza.
Ho trovato il saggio di Gilles Clément illuminante, per molti aspetti affine alla mia ricerca artistica; è stato sorprendente per me trovare un’affinità cosi grande con il suo autore, perché ancor prima di leggere il testo ho iniziato a notare regolarmente quegli spazi inclusi nella sua analisi sul paesaggio: i “residui”, che da tempo sono il fulcro della mia indagine estetica. Mi affascina la natura indecisa di questi spazi, senza una funzione chiara. Si tratta di frammenti di grande valore in quanto rifugio per la diversità e sono proprio questi spazi, i Residui, l’oggetto della mia mostra personale.

Il testo di Clément riguarda tutti noi, penso che sia interessante condividere con lo spettatore una maniera differente di guardare e approcciare il paesaggio, necessaria per il nostro futuro.

C: Cemento, terra, erba (artificiale), di questi tre materiali sono costituite gran parte delle opere che presenterai nella tua mostra personale presso la Galleria Varsi, li hai utilizzati anche in passato, soprattutto i primi due. Cosa simboleggiano per te questi materiali, la loro relazione?

A: Il cemento è un materiale con cui sono cresciuto, sono figlio di un ex muratore, idem per la terra, sono cresciuto in campagna.
Un ricordo che ho molto chiaro è quando andavo a lavoro con mio papà e osservavo gli scavi sui cui poggiano i getti di cemento armato. In questo processo si crea una sezione ben definita che permette di distinguere chiaramente i due materiali.
Oggi mi rendo conto quanto queste immagini sono state centrali nel mio percorso artistico e quanto a livello tecnico hanno influenzato la mia produzione. La serie di sculture Residui, presenti in mostra ne sono testimonianza.
La terra per me rappresenta ciò su cui ogni cosa si poggia, qualsiasi cosa viene sostenuta dalla terra, in fondo in fondo c’è sempre la terra. La intendo come una madre, disposta a sostenere tutto e comunque sempre in grado di riemergere.
La terra e il cemento per me sono due materiali simbolo del nostro soggiorno sul pianeta.

C: La serie Residui, realizzata per l’esposizione, rimanda per alcuni aspetti alle installazioni che hai racchiuso sotto il nome di Volume, superfici bidimensionali, all’occhio tridimensionali. Molte delle tue opere, anche pittoriche, instaurano un rapporto illusorio con la realtà. Questa volta però le geometrie lasciano più spazio alla rappresentazione. Ci racconti come nascono i “Residui”?

A: Hai ragione, molte delle mie opere giocano con la percezione dello spettatore creando un’illusione. Questa scelta ha a che fare con la volontà di interagire con lo spazio in maniera incisiva ma non per questo invasiva. I miei interventi molte volte con la loro presenza vogliono in realtà portare all’attenzione il contesto in cui si trovano, metterlo in luce, come nel caso delle installazioni “Volume”. Altre volte c’è proprio la volontà di creare “un altro spazio” all’interno dello spazio che viviamo.

residui art exhibition by ciredz

Ho deciso di fare dei “Residui” il fulcro centrale della mostra perché penso che sono la sintesi della mia ricerca di tanti anni, l’indagine della relazione tra naturale e artificiale che ti raccontavo nelle risposte precedenti.

C: Mi ha colpito la continuità temporale che caratterizza molti dei tuoi progetti. Mi viene in mente Grayscale series, iniziato nel 2011 e ancora oggi attivo. Quali possibilità apporta questa continuità ai tuoi progetti?

A: Sai che non avevo mai ragionato in maniera razionale su questo aspetto del mio lavoro, per me è qualcosa che è venuto spontaneo. Ora che ci penso forse la continuità temporale di alcuni dei miei progetti dipende dal fatto di che sono strettamente legati a dei luoghi naturali, e nella mia vita la natura è stata una costante; ricerco di continuo un contatto con lei. Agire nella natura è per me un bisogno, mi viene naturale pensare lo spazio in senso artistico.
Questo può legarsi a un aspetto più personale, il mio legame con il tempo. Il tempo mi scivola via, è qualcosa che non percepisco nella mia quotidianità; è sempre stato così non sento il suo peso. Forse si tratta un modo inconscio di evadere il tempo e il mio lavoro mi riporta alla sua esistenza, alla sua importanza.

residui art exhibition by ciredz

residui art exhibition by ciredz

You began painting in the uninhabited countryside of Sardinia, and you passed your childhood and adolescence in the middle of nature, in the small village near the sea where you were born. What prompted you to interact actively with landscapes, first rural and then urban ones? What differences do you find in approaching artistically these two different contexts?

A: I started expressing myself in public spaces by experimenting with graffiti; during that time walls for me were only an interesting media due to their size and position.
Later on, when I started working on abstract art my vision of space changed radically.
Between 2007 and 2009, I began to think differently. In the years I was studying in Bologna I met and studied the work of artists such as Penone and Calzolari, whose influence I particularly fert. My contacts with the Arte Povera movement prompted profound questions on materials which then became part of my poetic statements. Then the work of Superstudio started and it opened my mind on the relationships between what is natural and what is artificial. The word “Superstructure” comes to my mind.
This knowledge led me to reach an important awareness, to better understand my scope and where I wanted to go.
I am convinced that having grown up amid nature has allowed me to develop a specific sensibility without which I could have never conceived the work I do today.
The drive that prompted me to interact with landscapes originated when I moved to an urban space. The change between living in nature and moving to a city led me to carefully observe the differences between the two environments, and this is how I decided to express my vision through my works.
I was fascinated by the presence of nature in urban spaces, as man “organizes it”. In a city, nature becomes orderly geometry, as in the case of tree-lined avenues, flower beds, gardens bordered by hedges aligned and so on.
There are infinite differences in relating to such diverse spaces. When I paint in the middle of nature, it is very hard for me to add something because I think the composition is already complete in its balance of shapes and colors at any time of the day. For this reason, my interventions in nature are always small geometric shapes and I choose colors that I do not find in nature, mainly grays. In urban space, however, things are different, the interventions are almost always quite large, and they tend to add what is not there, and what I miss: nature.

After graduating, you moved to Bologna to attend the Academy of Fine Arts, where you graduated in sculpture. Initially, you chose figurative art but over time you turned to abstract art. Tell me how this passage occurred and what were your motivations?

A: The transition from figurative to abstract art began when I started studying sculpture: the materials were suddenly more important than images. I did not find working on images stimulating any longer.

In 2013, you graduated in Graphic Arts. Graphic synthesis is at the base of many of your works that most often deal with natural landscapes. A few days ago, you told me that your works were the result of a "graphic intent," a "graphic reasoning". Can you better explain this aspect of your research?

A: Graphics and volumes are the basis of my work. When I speak of “graphic intent” in my research I mean that when I create, I concentrate primarily on aesthetics and put in second place the poetic significance of the work. This does not imply, of course, that my work lacks meaning, but on the contrary that the meaning is inherent to the dialogue between the materials I use, and that it derives from their combination.

Are the landscapes from which you get your inspiration real or ideal? How much does the land you come from inspire your imagination?

A: The landscapes from which I draw inspiration are sometimes imaginary, but most of the time they are real, though I never do true copies. In most cases I am inspired in forms and colors by something that exists in nature, an experience that I have lived. I often carry a camera with me; photography is a very important tool in my work. It allows me to “extrapolate” landscape details that become central in my works, and that are the true protagonists. I like to bring details in the foreground, like with a microscope.

The Residui exhibition was inspired by a text by Gilles Clément, a French landscape designer, who is one of your main references. The title of the exhibition itself is a quotation. It is the Third Landscape Manifesto, a revolutionary text in many aspects. What does this essay mean to you? What concepts from it will you bring to the show, that you want to share with the viewers?

A: When I started working on sculptures with earth and concrete, I wanted to relate in a graphic way how nature and man coexist and the unpredictability that arises from this coexistence.
I found Gilles Clément’s essay illuminating, and in many ways connected to my artistic research; it was amazing for me to find such an affinity with its author, because even before reading the text I was regularly noticing the spaces mentioned in his analysis of landscapes: the “remains”, which for some time have been the focus of my aesthetic investigations. I am fascinated by the indecisive nature of these spaces that do not have a clear function. These are fragments of great value as a refuge for diversity and precisely these spaces, the Residui [Remains], are the theme of my solo show.
Clément’s text concerns us all. I think it’s interesting to share with the viewer a different way of looking at and approaching landscapes, which is really needed for our future.

residui art exhibition by ciredz

Cement, earth and artificial grass; these materials compose most of the works you will be presenting in your solo show at Galleria Varsi. You have used them in the past, especially the first two, for some of your works. What do these materials represent for you?

A: Cement is a material with which I grew up, I am the son of a former bricklayer; and the same goes for the land, I grew up in the countryside.
I have a very clear memory of when I accompanied my dad to work and watched the excavations on which the reinforced concrete jets stood. In this process you create a well-defined section that allows you to clearly distinguish the two materials.
Today I realize how much these images have been central to my artistic career and how they have technically influenced my production. The Residui sculpture series on display are the evidence of this.
The land represents for me what everything stands on: everything is sustained by the earth, and below everything there is always earth. I see it as a mother, willing to support everything, and always able to re-surface.
Earth and cement are for me two symbols of our presence on the planet.

The Residui series, made for the exhibition, refers to some aspects of the installations you have called Volume, two-dimensional surfaces that appear three-dimensional to the eye. Many of your works, including paintings, create an illusory relationship with reality. This time however, geometries leave more room for representation. Can you tell us how the Residui [Remains] are born?

A: You are right, many of my works play with the viewer’s perceptions creating an illusion. This choice has to do with the will to interact with space in an incisive but not invasive way. Many times, the purpose of my interventions is to highlight with their presence the context in which they are located, as for the Volume installations. Other times, I wish to create “another space” within the space we live in.
I have decided to make Residui [Remains] the focus of the exhibition because I think they are the synthesis of my research of so many years, my investigation on the relationship between what is natural and artificial as I told you before.

I was struck by the temporal continuity that characterizes many of your projects. I think of the Grayscale series, which you started in 2011 and is still active today. What possibilities does this continuity bring to your projects?

A: You know I never rationally thought about this aspect of my job; for me it’s something that just came spontaneously. Now that I think of it, perhaps the temporal continuity of some of my projects depends on their being closely related to natural environments, and in my life nature has been a constant; I always seek contact with it. Doing things in nature is a personal need, and it is natural for me to think of space in an artistic sense.
This can be linked to another personal aspect: my relationship with time. Time slips away for me, it is something I do not perceive in my daily life. It has always been so, and I do not feel its weight. Perhaps it is an unconscious way of eluding time and my work brings me back to its existence, its importance.

Curator: Chiara Pietropaoli
Artist: Ciredz
From November 24th, 2017 to January 5th, 2018

C: You began painting in the uninhabited countryside of Sardinia, and you passed your childhood and adolescence in the middle of nature, in the small village near the sea where you were born. What prompted you to interact actively with landscapes, first rural and then urban ones? What differences do you find in approaching artistically these two different contexts?

A: I started expressing myself in public spaces by experimenting with graffiti; during that time walls for me were only an interesting media due to their size and position.
Later on, when I started working on abstract art my vision of space changed radically.
Between 2007 and 2009, I began to think differently. In the years I was studying in Bologna I met and studied the work of artists such as Penone and Calzolari, whose influence I particularly fert. My contacts with the Arte Povera movement prompted profound questions on materials which then became part of my poetic statements. Then the work of Superstudio started and it opened my mind on the relationships between what is natural and what is artificial. The word “Superstructure” comes to my mind.

residui art exhibition by ciredz

This knowledge led me to reach an important awareness, to better understand my scope and where I wanted to go.
I am convinced that having grown up amid nature has allowed me to develop a specific sensibility without which I could have never conceived the work I do today.
The drive that prompted me to interact with landscapes originated when I moved to an urban space. The change between living in nature and moving to a city led me to carefully observe the differences between the two environments, and this is how I decided to express my vision through my works.
I was fascinated by the presence of nature in urban spaces, as man “organizes it”. In a city, nature becomes orderly geometry, as in the case of tree-lined avenues, flower beds, gardens bordered by hedges aligned and so on.

residui art exhibition by ciredz

There are infinite differences in relating to such diverse spaces. When I paint in the middle of nature, it is very hard for me to add something because I think the composition is already complete in its balance of shapes and colors at any time of the day. For this reason, my interventions in nature are always small geometric shapes and I choose colors that I do not find in nature, mainly grays. In urban space, however, things are different, the interventions are almost always quite large, and they tend to add what is not there, and what I miss: nature.

C: After graduating, you moved to Bologna to attend the Academy of Fine Arts, where you graduated in sculpture. Initially, you chose figurative art but over time you turned to abstract art. Tell me how this passage occurred and what were your motivations?

A: The transition from figurative to abstract art began when I started studying sculpture: the materials were suddenly more important than images. I did not find working on images stimulating any longer.

C: In 2013, you graduated in Graphic Arts. Graphic synthesis is at the base of many of your works that most often deal with natural landscapes. A few days ago, you told me that your works were the result of a “graphic intent,” a “graphic reasoning”. Can you better explain this aspect of your research?

A: Graphics and volumes are the basis of my work. When I speak of “graphic intent” in my research I mean that when I create, I concentrate primarily on aesthetics and put in second place the poetic significance of the work. This does not imply, of course, that my work lacks meaning, but on the contrary that the meaning is inherent to the dialogue between the materials I use, and that it derives from their combination.

C: Are the landscapes from which you get your inspiration real or ideal? How much does the land you come from inspire your imagination?

A: The landscapes from which I draw inspiration are sometimes imaginary, but most of the time they are real, though I never do true copies. In most cases I am inspired in forms and colors by something that exists in nature, an experience that I have lived. I often carry a camera with me; photography is a very important tool in my work. It allows me to “extrapolate” landscape details that become central in my works, and that are the true protagonists. I like to bring details in the foreground, like with a microscope.

residui art exhibition by ciredz

C: The Residui exhibition was inspired by a text by Gilles Clément, a French landscape designer, who is one of your main references. The title of the exhibition itself is a quotation. It is the Third Landscape Manifesto, a revolutionary text in many aspects. What does this essay mean to you? What concepts from it will you bring to the show, that you want to share with the viewers?

A: When I started working on sculptures with earth and concrete, I wanted to relate in a graphic way how nature and man coexist and the unpredictability that arises from this coexistence.
I found Gilles Clément’s essay illuminating, and in many ways connected to my artistic research; it was amazing for me to find such an affinity with its author, because even before reading the text I was regularly noticing the spaces mentioned in his analysis of landscapes: the “remains”, which for some time have been the focus of my aesthetic investigations. I am fascinated by the indecisive nature of these spaces that do not have a clear function. These are fragments of great value as a refuge for diversity and precisely these spaces, the Residui [Remains], are the theme of my solo show.
Clément’s text concerns us all. I think it’s interesting to share with the viewer a different way of looking at and approaching landscapes, which is really needed for our future.

C: Cement, earth and artificial grass; these materials compose most of the works you will be presenting in your solo show at Galleria Varsi. You have used them in the past, especially the first two, for some of your works. What do these materials represent for you?

A: Cement is a material with which I grew up, I am the son of a former bricklayer; and the same goes for the land, I grew up in the countryside.
I have a very clear memory of when I accompanied my dad to work and watched the excavations on which the reinforced concrete jets stood. In this process you create a well-defined section that allows you to clearly distinguish the two materials.
Today I realize how much these images have been central to my artistic career and how they have technically influenced my production. The Residui sculpture series on display are the evidence of this.
The land represents for me what everything stands on: everything is sustained by the earth, and below everything there is always earth. I see it as a mother, willing to support everything, and always able to re-surface.
Earth and cement are for me two symbols of our presence on the planet.

C: The Residui series, made for the exhibition, refers to some aspects of the installations you have called Volume, two-dimensional surfaces that appear three-dimensional to the eye. Many of your works, including paintings, create an illusory relationship with reality. This time however, geometries leave more room for representation. Can you tell us how the Residui [Remains] are born?

A: You are right, many of my works play with the viewer’s perceptions creating an illusion. This choice has to do with the will to interact with space in an incisive but not invasive way. Many times, the purpose of my interventions is to highlight with their presence the context in which they are located, as for the Volume installations. Other times, I wish to create “another space” within the space we live in.
I have decided to make Residui [Remains] the focus of the exhibition because I think they are the synthesis of my research of so many years, my investigation on the relationship between what is natural and artificial as I told you before.

C: I was struck by the temporal continuity that characterizes many of your projects. I think of the Grayscale series, which you started in 2011 and is still active today. What possibilities does this continuity bring to your projects?

A: You know I never rationally thought about this aspect of my job; for me it’s something that just came spontaneously. Now that I think of it, perhaps the temporal continuity of some of my projects depends on their being closely related to natural environments, and in my life nature has been a constant; I always seek contact with it. Doing things in nature is a personal need, and it is natural for me to think of space in an artistic sense.
This can be linked to another personal aspect: my relationship with time. Time slips away for me, it is something I do not perceive in my daily life. It has always been so, and I do not feel its weight. Perhaps it is an unconscious way of eluding time and my work brings me back to its existence, its importance.